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riventhorn ([personal profile] riventhorn) wrote2019-03-29 05:52 pm
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Shen Wei's decision not to tell Zhao Yunlan

 I'm putting this discussion behind the cut because it contains spoilers for Episodes 38 through 40. 

I'm interested in how others feel about Shen Wei's decision not to tell Zhao Yunlan about his end-game plan for stopping Ye Zun, i.e. turning himself into a bomb. 

Personally, I think it was the right decision--or perhaps it is more accurate to say, the best choice of many bad options. Regardless of whether he told Zhao Yunlan or not, I don't think Shen Wei would have changed his decision to sacrifice himself to stop Ye Zun. If he had told ZYL much earlier, say when he first conceived of the plan or during the famous kitchen scene, it would only have resulted in a lot of fighting, anger, and sorrow, because ZYL would certainly have tried to stop Shen Wei or done something drastic himself to try and stop Ye Zun. I mean, just look at ZYL's face in these moments in Ep 38 when Shen Wei is hurt and how absolutely devastated he is: https://youtu.be/V2dUtbSz4hQ?t=1823

By not telling ZYL, Shen Wei is able to be with him without Shen Wei's looming death hanging over them. Shen Wei, of course, knows what is coming and has to bear that, but I consider it more an act of kindness and love not to tell ZYL as opposed to looking at it as a selfish act. 

Beyond this moment, it raises the interesting question of when it is appropriate to keep secrets, to keep people in the dark, to hide bad news, etc. I know I've read this somewhere, although I can't remember where, but it was something to the effect of how a strong and lasting relationship may not necessarily depend on the parties involved sharing everything with each other. 
galaxysoup: (ShenWeiFierce)

[personal profile] galaxysoup 2019-03-30 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
I'm honestly not sure whether I agree with Shen Wei's decision or just understand it? Zhao Yunlan would have fought him on that decision so hard, and Shen Wei was barely managing to stay above water with the battles he was already fighting without having to contingency-plan for ZYL's contingency plans as well, so on that level I think it was the right decision. And, as someone else pointed out, even a kind one - they got to have their last times together without that doom hanging over both of them.

On the other hand, the fic writer in me wants to think that maybe ZYL and the SID would have been able to figure out some kind of workaround that would have saved the day for both of them. But given what we have in canon, I think I'm on Team Shen Wei's Sacrifice.
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[personal profile] galaxysoup 2019-03-30 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I think if ZYL had had time right after Lin Jing reappears to think about it he might have gone the angry route. But since he's in the middle of a fight and not too long after that he goes and sacrifices himself too, I think he gets it. I hadn't put that part together until Trobadora said it below.
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[personal profile] solo 2019-03-30 08:05 am (UTC)(link)
Shen Wei was barely managing to stay above water with the battles he was already fighting without having to contingency-plan for ZYL's contingency plans as well

I love how you put that!
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[personal profile] galaxysoup 2019-03-30 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! :D
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[personal profile] trobadora 2019-03-30 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
and Shen Wei was barely managing to stay above water with the battles he was already fighting without having to contingency-plan for ZYL's contingency plans as well

Ha! That's the perfect way to put it. And I'm definitely Team Shen Wei's Sacrifice, too.

(Also, ZYL's sacrifice afterwards - he'd have fought Shen Wei tooth and nail if he'd known what he was planning, but in the end ZYL makes the same choice to sacrifice himself for the greater good, and I think in that moment he fully understands why Shen Wei did what he did.)
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[personal profile] galaxysoup 2019-03-30 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooooooh, that's such a painful point but you're so right ;____;
trobadora: (Shen Wei/Zhao Yunlan - cheers)

[personal profile] trobadora 2019-03-30 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I do love that they end up on the same page in the end. ♥
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[personal profile] ranalore 2019-03-30 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
This is really well-said.

I do think, given the constraints of the canon world, Shen Wei made the best decision in not telling ZYL his ultimate plan. It's kinder to both of them, I think, and he does rely on ZYL for the things ZYL can realistically do (and ZYL still manages to get involved in the Dixing side of things anyway, and make his own ludicrously noble self-sacrifice on behalf of everybody, so).

I mean, of course there's a huge squishy part of me that wishes it could have been otherwise, that Shen Wei had told ZYL everything and they had figured out an alternative that allowed them both to live, but I think that aspect of the plot was so intricately constructed, a lot of other things in the show would have to fundamentally change for it to work. So, I will happily read--and write--fixits by the dozens, but I'm Team Shen Wei's Sacrifice, too. Plus, they both suffer so prettily